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Title: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Gauntlet on October 19, 2011, 10:55:37 pm
Teamspeak
Unique ID: waTzbLMcHqxUCbQZUjz8968vfvw=


He has had way too many chance to act right, im stopping it here and now.
This ban is 30 day ban and for the forums, teamspeak.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Pinkie on October 19, 2011, 11:07:56 pm
Honestly, I think this is kinda harsh seeing as what may happen with the clan anyway. Even though he says disgusting things to me once in a while.

idk lol.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Kelly087 on October 19, 2011, 11:15:35 pm
Yeah true... make it 30 days :]
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: FlaƧh on October 19, 2011, 11:28:38 pm
Non-sense! Clan or gaming community, whatever the hell you wanna call it, teamspeak doesn't belong to one person, according to current by-laws, only management has the right to perm-ban. Just make it a 30day for now and make a poll in management if you want to permanently ban him. 
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Gauntlet on October 19, 2011, 11:34:48 pm
Changed....
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: FlaƧh on October 19, 2011, 11:38:30 pm
ty
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Caboose on October 20, 2011, 02:59:44 am
Wait... management actually does stuff? 0.O
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Hambone on October 20, 2011, 05:06:24 am
Wait... management actually does stuff? 0.O
Wait, Caboose has something constructive to add???  *rereads* Nope.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Pinkie on October 20, 2011, 09:52:28 am
The only thing that bothers me is he wasn't even on teamspeak when he got banned, so he didn't actually have a reason at that moment to get booted off ts and the forums. I don't think you can just ban someone for what they've done in the past so randomly unless you have a group actually talk about it before hand.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: ATL on October 20, 2011, 12:31:26 pm
The only thing that bothers me is he wasn't even on teamspeak when he got banned, so he didn't actually have a reason at that moment to get booted off ts and the forums. I don't think you can just ban someone for what they've done in the past so randomly unless you have a group actually talk about it before hand.
You are correct Pinkie.  There is another thread in Management which doesn't reveal anymore of what happened than this one does. But I posted some guide lines there.  I can only guess that Gauntlet may have been worried about a post that Kelly posted in the clan area and was worried what Heart might say, and didn't want anymore harm to come to Kelly.  Again I'm guessing here.  I can understand Gauntlets concern, but we can't just ban on things that might happen.  I'm giving Gauntlet time (until later today) to come up with a reason.  If it turns out I am guessing correctly, Heart will be unbanned.  Btw if anyone feels Heart needs the leave, we can address that directly, openly, and honestly in the clan area of the forums. 
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Clip14 on October 20, 2011, 12:58:28 pm
AHHHHH...Don't make it the clan area, I can't read it.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: ATL on October 20, 2011, 01:00:55 pm
AHHHHH...Don't make it the clan area, I can't read it.
You should request to be change to retired, I'd vote yes. :)
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Knome on October 20, 2011, 01:12:17 pm
AHHHHH...Don't make it the clan area, I can't read it.
That s not going to matter soon hopefully.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Caboose on October 20, 2011, 02:07:58 pm
Wait... management actually does stuff? 0.O
Wait, Caboose has something constructive to add???  *rereads* Nope.


 My point is still valid.





Look Gauntlet had more then enough reason to ban Heart. He is the clan pedo. He has made numerous perverted comments and has harassed the female members of the clan. Get your damn heads out of the sand. Leave him banned.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Caboose on October 20, 2011, 03:47:36 pm
Discuss the situation here:

http://www.thebcclan.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=27&topic=29409.msg237495;topicseen#new (http://www.thebcclan.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=27&topic=29409.msg237495;topicseen#new)
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Snowisfun on October 20, 2011, 05:41:14 pm
AHHHHH...Don't make it the clan area, I can't read it.
+1
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Angel PK on October 20, 2011, 06:13:55 pm
Us civilians make the tanks you use, the ammo you spend, the comforting of wives you leave behind! We make the world go round and yet you treat us like we don't want to read your dirty laundry and gossip! For shame...  :madtongue:
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Drizz on October 20, 2011, 10:28:33 pm
Look Gauntlet had more then enough reason to ban Heart. He is the clan pedo. He has made numerous perverted comments and has harassed the female members of the clan. Get your damn heads out of the sand. Leave him banned.

It's not about heads in the sand, it's about dealing with problems in an appropriate manner.  If what you're saying is true, I would expect that if it was causing a problem that members were actually concerned about, that there would have been complaints made to management, that would have been taken seriously been discussed, to come to a decision as to the appropriate disciplinary action for him, rather than allowing one member to randomly ban him permanently, or even for 30 days.  Or have things really deteriorated from By-Laws to Marshall Law in BC?

In my entire time in the clan, I never saw Beloved Heartless do anything that wasn't simply a result of a warped sense of humor, and I only ever saw people respond to it in a humorous way.  If people have serious problems with another member, they need to speak up and let management know, or their superior officer (the chain of command really was established for a reason, I remember, I was there) so that issues with members could be dealt with appropriately.  If no one says anything, aside from complaining to each other in a small group, the issue never gets resolved.  Instead, people let their emotions towards that member get built up until they can't take it anymore and end up misusing their authority based on their own emotions, and not the best interest of the clan.  It's happened before, and now it's happened again.

It may be that Heart needs to be banned forever for the things he's done in more recent history.  I honestly don't know.  But I know, simply by what I've read in this thread so far, that it certainly should not have happened like this.

Miss you guys <3
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Hambone on October 20, 2011, 11:29:40 pm
Look Gauntlet had more then enough reason to ban Heart. He is the clan pedo. He has made numerous perverted comments and has harassed the female members of the clan. Get your damn heads out of the sand. Leave him banned.
I agree with what Drizzle said above.

And look, I'm not defending Heart in any way, but banning someone out of the blue for their PAST ACTIONS, rather than as a direct result of one is not the right way to go about things, no matter who we are talking about. If it was a big enough deal to do it, it should have been done before this, not randomly because someone is having a shitty day (or whatever triggered it).

While I think Heart should be banned, I don't believe it should be the result of one person deciding it is "his time to go".



Also, before you go saying "Managementdidsomethingomgwtfgtfo!?!" remember that you are part of the same group of people. You may not be IN management, but you have the power to bring something to their attention. You know fully well that the "clan" is not very active, Management or not.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Caboose on October 21, 2011, 12:05:30 am
Look Gauntlet had more then enough reason to ban Heart. He is the clan pedo. He has made numerous perverted comments and has harassed the female members of the clan. Get your damn heads out of the sand. Leave him banned.
I agree with what Drizzle said above.

And look, I'm not defending Heart in any way, but banning someone out of the blue for their PAST ACTIONS, rather than as a direct result of one is not the right way to go about things, no matter who we are talking about. If it was a big enough deal to do it, it should have been done before this, not randomly because someone is having a shitty day (or whatever triggered it).

While I think Heart should be banned, I don't believe it should be the result of one person deciding it is "his time to go".



Also, before you go saying "Managementdidsomethingomgwtfgtfo!?!" remember that you are part of the same group of people. You may not be IN management, but you have the power to bring something to their attention. You know fully well that the "clan" is not very active, Management or not.


My point still stands that NOTHING has been done even when an event takes place. If an issue is brought up, it takes forever for it to be resolved.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Hambone on October 21, 2011, 12:21:48 am

My point still stands that NOTHING has been done even when an event takes place. If an issue is brought up, it takes forever for it to be resolved.
And my point also stands- MAKE A POST ABOUT IT. Bitch and complain until someone responds. YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Caboose on October 21, 2011, 02:02:40 pm
Rather not be known as the clan bitch. lol
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Scooby on October 21, 2011, 06:34:47 pm
In this specific case, Heart has had numerous instances, where people have brought up problems with him, Pinkie and Kelly being 2 who have voiced(and rightfully so) huge issues with his actions very recently, and I don't know of anyone in the clan(though, there's bound to be SOMEONE given he's still in it) who actually thinks he should still be here with everything he's done. I agree that banning him out of the blue was wrong, but it still brings up the huge issue of why nothing has been done about him in past instances. This "make a post" defense fails, because I've seen numerous posts that have been made. From me, Kelly, Pinkie and even going quite a ways back, Random posted something about it, and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure if I went through the forum I'd find a lot of posts.

Only thing that has ever been done to "punish" Heart is he's gotten demoted. And with the stuff he's done, he should have been banned from here, TS and every game server we run now and in the future permanently.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Snowisfun on October 21, 2011, 06:48:42 pm
I nominate Beloved Heartless for General
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Drizz on October 21, 2011, 08:05:35 pm
In this specific case, Heart has had numerous instances, where people have brought up problems with him, Pinkie and Kelly being 2 who have voiced(and rightfully so) huge issues with his actions very recently, and I don't know of anyone in the clan(though, there's bound to be SOMEONE given he's still in it) who actually thinks he should still be here with everything he's done. I agree that banning him out of the blue was wrong, but it still brings up the huge issue of why nothing has been done about him in past instances. This "make a post" defense fails, because I've seen numerous posts that have been made. From me, Kelly, Pinkie and even going quite a ways back, Random posted something about it, and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure if I went through the forum I'd find a lot of posts.

Only thing that has ever been done to "punish" Heart is he's gotten demoted. And with the stuff he's done, he should have been banned from here, TS and every game server we run now and in the future permanently.

The management of the clan is responsible for dealing out punishment.  If they decide his punishment should be being demoted, so be it.  That's an issue with management, which like Beloved Heartless, if people see it as a problem, should be brought up and discussed with them.  I'd hate to think what a clan would be like if they let their members permanently ban other members based on their own feelings towards that member, regardless of the action the clan's management has already deemed appropriate.  As I said before, he may very well deserve to be banned forever.  I'll admit that I was skeptical about him ever even joining years and years ago.  But to allow any single clan member to make that carry out such a punishment with no authority from the clan's governing body, is to set a precedent that essentially gives any and every member the freedom to administrate the clan's resources however they see fit, without regard for established rules and processes, and worst of all, regardless of whether or not it's a negative act against a clanmate.

Let's get one thing clear.  Beloved Heartless' behavior is an entirely different issue, albeit one that should certainly be taken seriously.  The real issue here, at this moment, is the massive abuse of authority that took place in banning him.  Don't let yourself get confused, they are two very separate issues.  If I were still in the clan, I would be pushing for discussion and review of Heart's behavior, as well as strict punishment for Gauntlet, for the action that he took against Heart.  No offense, Gauntlet.

So that's my view as a former figure of authority, and a seeker of truth, justice, and blah blah blah.

To be honest though, the main reason I left the clan years ago was because of a member that just couldn't deal with another members sense of humor, and got way to serious about it.  While I admit, I haven't been around to see Heart's recent activity, I know how warped his sense of humor is, and always just took his antics with a grain of salt.  Not once when I was still in the clan did he ever directly cross any lines.  Sure, his behavior made some people uncomfortable, but not everyone meshes with his sense of humor, and some people are more uptight than others.  You should see the stuff that Abz, Knome, PK and I used to share with each other privately on TS back in the day.  I guarantee that some of it crosses lines that Beloved Heartless has never come near.  But we were smart enough to keep it to ourselves, knowing that we all had a good sense of humor, and thick skin, and would not be offended by such things.  Some people just can't handle what Beloved Heartless find amusing, just as they wouldn't have been able to handle what we used to find amusing amongst ourselves.  The only real difference is that Heart isn't afraid to share his sense of humor with anyone and everyone.  ...and to be honest, I find that amusing in itself.

What really concerns me, is that I'm hearing claims like "he's a pedo" in this thread.  Has he posted kiddie porn?  Has he talked about having sex with children in a serious manner?  Has he done anything to justify such a heinous accusation?  Or is he just being called that because you don't like him, and you think he's a freak?  When people go around saying those kinds of things about people as jokes or exaggerations all the time, it's hard to take the claims seriously.  It's essentially the "crying wolf" scenario.  If you mean it, present the evidence, and good riddance to him.  If you don't, stop making false accusations of such a serious nature.  If I thought for one second there was a serious pedophile in BC while I was here, I would have gathered enough evidence to turn them into the police without thinking twice about it.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Gauntlet on October 21, 2011, 08:26:04 pm
Locking the topic.....
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: FlaƧh on October 21, 2011, 09:11:48 pm
Seriously Gauntlet?

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Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Infantryman on October 21, 2011, 09:32:15 pm
Yeh, he's been smokin' sumthin'
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Gauntlet on October 21, 2011, 09:33:37 pm
w/e....I stopped caring awhile ago...


(You only care because its me.) Unknot your panties please.
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Caboose on October 21, 2011, 09:36:17 pm
Seriously Flash? :P
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Pinkie on October 21, 2011, 09:36:54 pm
Ohhh boy..

here we go!
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Angel PK on October 21, 2011, 10:24:28 pm
Seriously Gauntlet?
Seriously Flash? :P

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/AngelPK/Notsure.jpg)
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Scooby on October 21, 2011, 10:53:39 pm
Seriously Gauntlet?
Seriously Flash? :P

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/AngelPK/Notsure.jpg)

I lol'd
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Caboose on October 21, 2011, 10:59:23 pm
+1 lol
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Hambone on October 22, 2011, 12:50:10 am
Drizzle, while long-winded, seems to sum up my thoughts perfectly nearly every time.

Rather not be known as the clan bitch. lol


Then you are no different than those who say they want change/action and do nothing about it.

Also, you're already the clan bitch. Don't hide from what you are. Lol jk <3


Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Caboose on October 22, 2011, 12:55:57 am
Drizzle, while long-winded, seems to sum up my thoughts perfectly nearly every time.

Rather not be known as the clan bitch. lol


Then you are no different than those who say they want change/action and do nothing about it.

Also, you're already the clan bitch. Don't hide from what you are. Lol jk <3


Common Hambone... I told you to keep that a secret... like PK's real gender... (http://inception.davepedu.com/)  :blah:


http://inception.davepedu.com/INCEPTION.swf
 
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Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Infantryman on November 25, 2011, 11:01:09 pm
JUST HAD TO ADD THIS.
HEART

Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Rocky on May 31, 2012, 05:37:38 pm
Locking the topic.....


By the power of grey skull!!!    LOL
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Infantryman on May 31, 2012, 05:53:54 pm

By the power of grey skull!!!    LOL
Cool!
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Doyarite on May 31, 2012, 09:40:58 pm
Who is this Beloved Heartless person?  :shitbricks:
Title: Re: Beloved Heartless
Post by: Rocky on May 31, 2012, 10:13:09 pm
He had no heart.   So I am told.
Title: Re: Dumbass Beloved Heartless
Post by: RedXIII on May 20, 2013, 09:20:55 am
Lol im so glad i came on the forums today. this made my day ive had him ignored on steam for ever hes a jerk sometimes.