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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2011, 05:15:56 am »
1. Do not be obnoxious and or cause problems.  If you do this an admin may ban you.
2. We have no particular rules regarding cheating, porn, spamming, being rude, swearing, racism or anything else, but if an admin thinks you've taken things too far, you will be banned.  Some admin's are more lenient than others, if you get banned for something you did before, because one admin was more lenient than another, don't come crying to us, it's your own fault.

Cheating and racism are the only two things I think we SHOULD have a firm rule about, regardless of whether or not it is being obnoxious, it nearly ALWAYS causes problems. I realize it would be up to the admin, but I'm pretty sure that any of us would consider nearly all acts of racism to mean insta-ban.


I disagree completely.  I think this is a place where less is more.  We should depend on admin's, not a bunch of rules that can be interpreted in different ways.  Every time we've added a rule in the past, it seems we must make 10 other changes in the bylaws in an attempt to skate past possible issues that rule may cause..... all while we could have/should have left it up to the judgement of the admin.  I do understand where you are coming from, but who decides how to write rules on what racism is? or what is considered cheating?  cheating is the hardest by far, it is extremely different depending on the game, and then what? do we require recordings again to prove the admin was write?  then other people to review the recordings of the admins?


na, I think the admins should be able to use their judgement and decide if someone is a menace to the running of a server or not.
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2011, 06:21:40 am »
I see where you are coming from. A glitch may or may not mean cheating if you ask different admins, but we are all grown ups and know when racism is being used/implied. *dusts off billy club to prep for shin beatings*


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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2011, 05:22:37 pm »
I say keep things as simple as possible.  What I like.  I like the shout box. I like the clan area of the forums for members only.  I like keeping the wording of the rules simple and trust/backup the admin.  Abz's recommendations are close to what I would recommend.  I never have quite understood the harm in the label "Clan" Personally I really like the logo up in the top left of the forums.  To me it would be easier to just write a new paragraph for the Home page something like.  The BC clan was founded .... by .... Participated in ..... and decided to stop functioning as a Clan on .....  We now are more like a Gaming Community.... and maintain a forum / TS and from time to time Game servers for various games.  You can become a member of the Forums here...  Then I'd archive everything we don't need or use, like the promotion system, management area etc.  I wouldn't mind the current Clan area of the forums being closed to all new members and just remain for the current / past members if approved. Start a new closed area to take it's place and leave the public area pretty much as is.   Just some thoughts.


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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2011, 05:42:06 pm »
The reason i don't like the term "clan" and what that connotates is that to me it draws a line in the sand between users. It makes a clear distinction and between groups of users and infers superiority and exclusivity of one group over another. I feel that this creates a disparity which causes ego's to inflate and discourages users who are not here to be a part of the clan from participating fully with other members and the site itself. A user may feel that in order to participate with their friends they have to make a jump in commitment that they may not want or be able to do.

 Since i believe that most of the users of this site now fall into this outside category it is now detrimental to continue operating as a "clan".

To that end the term "clan" could still be used, possibly, but it would require redefining a term that is pretty ubiquitous which may be impossible for us to do completely. I just think the term is too strong.

Where i'm coming from in my outline is that we can still offer "clan" like services from the platform of a gaming community. As far as i'm concerned as long as we have total participation and transparency we can be as close to a clan as we wish to be.

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2011, 05:48:58 pm »
As a side note, would anyone be apposed to moving this discussion out to the public area so that we can get some input from ex clan members and potential new community members? I think quite a few of them could provide some very valuable insight to how they as outsiders would view our new potential site arrangement.

If no one says they appose then i'll take it as a sign that i can move it.

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2011, 08:58:50 pm »
just dont let the public vote.
       
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2011, 09:55:34 pm »
maybe move the thread, but dump the poll
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2011, 09:19:42 pm »
Bump for the moved thread, Obviously the poll failed but it was pretty obvious that everyone wanted us to change somehow. So the post is now public to help get some input from the non clan members. We will vote again sometime next week on a new model.

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2011, 09:52:12 pm »
I guess ill read through this later, but I find it funny that the subject is "Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan"  :beatup:

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2011, 10:08:55 pm »
Lets just change it to FaceBC or BCBook and be done with it...or even the less popular BCSpace or MyBC.  :unamused2:

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2011, 10:31:05 pm »
If you go with "gaming community" I wouldn't mind getting an invite.  Community is much more my speed than clanning these days.  I'm in a laid back adults only Halo clan now with next to no drama, and that's more than enough clan for me.  I wouldn't need admin, in fact, I wouldn't want it.  But it would be nice to be able to chat with everyone in the member forums again, seeing as how none of you ever post in the public ones anymore.  I see more of most of you on Facebook than I do around here!  <--- I wrote this before seeing your post Doya, lol*

I think these are mostly good ideas, and a long time coming.  I'll be perfectly honest, while many of my comments were genuine, I kind of trolled that Beloved Heartless thread, or at least leaned heavy on certain issues to make a point, after catching a hint posted in the thread that made me wonder if something like this might be in the works.  I took the gamble, and was right apparently.  I wanted people to understand that the system as it is now, simply can not work anymore at this stage in the clan.  Not that management was lazy or didn't care, but that it simply can't function the way that it's currently supposed to, with all the red tape like I was saying "should have been" used to deal with the Beloved Heartless issue.  There's just not enough member activity.  The By-Laws were created for a clan of 100+ active members that played only a handful of games.  It's been a long time since that described BC.  I've noticed over the last year, even from the outside looking in, that a very big change is necessary if BC is to survive in any form for much longer.

One more thing, and please put some serious thought into this if it's what's causing you to vote against the reform idea.  I know that most of you probably didn't like Abz idea about having to donate for admin rights (though you would still need to be voted in by admins), but I think it was one of the best ideas to come out of this thread.  Considering how hard it was to reach monthly donation goals when I was still in BC and most people were still active, I imagine that without a system similar to what Abz has suggested, BC will not be able to afford to run servers at all for much longer.  On top of that, for far too long, a very small number of the same members have donated over and over, far more than their own fair share to keep BC assets up and running over the years, and it's time they got a break from their friends, and that load got spread out among the masses.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2011, 10:34:09 pm by Drizz »

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2011, 01:31:29 am »
I personally stopped donating because I haven't had much money the last year and I have had a lack of interest in the games everyone else was playing, for example CoD Black Ops. Nevertheless... if the community were to become active again, I might donate depending on my cash flow. Pretty much breaking even each month right now.  :notsmiling:


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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2011, 02:44:37 am »
I'm with drizzle, I'm all for the community idea. Some sort of donation requirement needs to happen at some level.  If we are going to have servers it could be that donations are required to have any benefits over non community members. 

I'm for a simple hierarchy like Xcouga suggested.  Leaders > Admins > Members
« Last Edit: October 27, 2011, 02:48:05 am by Snowisfun »

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2011, 03:57:00 am »
you know there's always a time when the ER doctors would just say "ok i'm calling it... terminate CPR and all life resuscitation attempts..."

the people who are already truly friends with each other don't need what is left of the clan to remain friends...

we've all made good attempts to keep the clan alive... valiant efforts all around... let it die already...

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2011, 08:35:49 am »
I like the community idea, keeping the rules very simple and leave the decision to kick or ban up to the ADMIN at that given time. I would like to come back if it was a " community ".
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2011, 08:44:21 am »
I think that the community idea would be a little more inviting to new and old members. It is very relaxed which is like what the clan was before activity went down so low.

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2011, 05:35:15 pm »
Still haven't really read much here but ill just put in a few cents.

I like these 3 examples for people in the forums/TS:
IT - the dudes like Knome
Premium members - all the members + retired
Regulars/Members - People like me ie civilians

I also think the By-laws were used alot as a weapon for arguments and bs rather than protecting the clans interest so do away with em and keep TS and forum rules...maybe elaborate more on those two rulesets. Also you could keep the BC part and instead go with Bellicus Community, because lets be honest all we did was argue...and war-like fits in for multiple purposes XD

Keep it simple and if anything needs to be added later then it can.



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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2011, 12:34:59 am »
so, is this happening?
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2011, 10:43:09 am »

We need to come to an agreement on the terms of whats going to happen here. We really need to decide if we want to be a clan anymore or a gaming community. The terms i set forth and the ones abs set forth are contradictory and we need to talk to see if we can come to an agreement.

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2011, 04:55:58 pm »
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