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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2011, 04:23:44 pm »
Just to make something clear regarding my last post, that wasn't intended directly towards Flash, but towards all of management, because I think it's clear that it hasn't been ran as well as any clan member would have liked it to be, as everyone here seems to have been involved in some sort of stupid scuffle that could have been avoided. I feel, if we're going to start new like this, might as well start with management the majority agrees on, to try and avoid stupid arguments/have something more stable in place to prevent them.

Which is a problem again since everyone's just going to re-vote themselves in.


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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2011, 05:35:54 pm »
Who is going to vote themselves in? Are you blind or just being ignorant? Management is going to get dissolved and the elite class or current council will only exist to take care of immediate problems that cannot wait for the entire community to vote on. I am assuming these people will be knome, silver, atl and monkey and possibly Abz if he has any interest in returning.


Take a look at the management roster, those are the people that have made extensive contributions to the clan in past, we've ran practices, done countless tryouts and spent hours dealing with drama and bullshit thrown at us from members, civilians and in many cases just from within management. I don't think these people should have to earn their current privileges when the whole point of making proposed changes is to restructure the clan into a community and make it easier for people to become a bigger part of it.
On the other hand, regular members should be able to gain moderator and admin privileges through a community-wide voting system..THE WHOLE COMMUNITY gets to vote....get it? No favoritism!

Btw caboose calling me a prick isn't going to validate your argument and stop throwing a tantrum like a five year old just because you lost an argument on teamspeak about banning Beloved Heartless. I for one actually appreciated your contributions for helping us transition to teamspeak3 and wouldn't mind seeing you have preferred membership but the way you've been acting last couple of days has proven how immature you really are and I would not consider voting for you.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2011, 05:39:00 pm by FlaƧh »
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2011, 06:30:11 pm »
Who is going to vote themselves in? Are you blind or just being ignorant? Management is going to get dissolved and the elite class or current council will only exist to take care of immediate problems that cannot wait for the entire community to vote on. I am assuming these people will be knome, silver, atl and monkey and possibly Abz if he has any interest in returning.


Take a look at the management roster, those are the people that have made extensive contributions to the clan in past, we've ran practices, done countless tryouts and spent hours dealing with drama and bullshit thrown at us from members, civilians and in many cases just from within management. I don't think these people should have to earn their current privileges when the whole point of making proposed changes is to restructure the clan into a community and make it easier for people to become a bigger part of it.
On the other hand, regular members should be able to gain moderator and admin privileges through a community-wide voting system..THE WHOLE COMMUNITY gets to vote....get it? No favoritism!

Btw caboose calling me a prick isn't going to validate your argument and stop throwing a tantrum like a five year old just because you lost an argument on teamspeak about banning Beloved Heartless. I for one actually appreciated your contributions for helping us transition to teamspeak3 and wouldn't mind seeing you have preferred membership but the way you've been acting last couple of days has proven how immature you really are and I would not consider voting for you.


I wouldn't say lost the argument, although he is unbanned now which is fine for now, but you just managed to get under my skin. I got upset and that happens to all of us. The way I handled it was wrong and I should have just moved out of the channel. Hell we are all acting immature yesterday and there was some trolling that took place on both sides. Truthfully its been a rough week for me with family issues but that's in the past now.

I understand Elite will be Abz, Silver, Knome, ATL, and Monkey. I also understand you and other management have done a lot for the clan and will receive admin abilities and what not. That's fine, but I guess what I was pointing out was that we should all act like adults, myself included with that slip up. And as I mentioned in my previous post (quoted below) Moderators could be picked by Preferred members. If the community as a whole wants to vote on mods, that is fine as well. If I lost your vote, that's fine, just note that respect is earned, not given. Case and point, I will need to redo the permissions on TS for the new setup and to fix bugs with later TS patches. Considering I was the one who originally set it up and I tested the TS3 Alpha / Beta, I feel that I am the best one for the job. I'm not asking for IT (Elite), I don't have enough time to manage a clan with school right now and Army ROTC coming up in Spring. I'm fine with Preferred status. We could redo the server permissions so that we have a user group set up for each of the categories listed below. We could also keep the Trusted User group for those worthy enough to be a mod / preferred but who do not want to take the position. I would rename the IT group to Elite and copy the permissions from the IT group into a new usergroup keeping the same name (IT). So that way I would have my Preferred usergroup and IT group as my primary server groups. That way I could manage the TS server and set up permissions for new channels that will be created as the community expands. For example, we have enough people playing BF3 and we register in a tournament. A usergroup would be made for the BF3 Tourney and people could join the league. A channel would be set up along with this.

Nevertheless, I'm stepping up to the plate to help run the community if I am given the opportunity to. At this rate in the workplace, I'd be asking for a promotion, lol. Nevertheless, as I said, I feel I am the best for managing the TS Server since I know the permissions.

* BC Admin (Anyone with IT)
* BC Preferred (previous BC members who will have forum mod and server mod)
* BC Mod (enough respect from the community to become a server and or forum moderator of a specific board by being voted in by BC Preferred members)
* BC Regular  (after "x" number of good posts as a Newcomer)
* BC Newcomer (new person obviously)

Note: The reason mod is below preferred would be so we don't overflow the BC Preferred group. Also this would be a way to tell if someone has enough respect and maturity to become a BC Preferred member. The user can request to be a BC Preferred member after several months. This would obviously be up to vote by current preferred members.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2011, 07:12:38 pm by Caboose »


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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2011, 07:33:20 pm »
I like Tacos......


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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2011, 08:40:09 pm »
i suggest the the result of the poll be put in effect at the end of the year

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2011, 09:37:51 pm »
I'm still thinking about it, like ATL.

That being said, everyone needs to realize that IT wasn't just about being buddy buddy with people, some of us are using our names and social security numbers on bank accounts and such, and as such we have more say on who has what level of access to certain assets.  The reasoning should be clear that if we are willing to use our information to setup an account with a company to use, and it must all remain on there, then we should have the deciding factor on who and who does not have access to such data.

My name is still being used on a number of things, and whomever becomes the elite members will likely need to take that over and out of my name.  I'm always willing to help, but I don't have nearly as much time as I used to.

That all being said, I haven't gamed at all since January, even then I was very irregular about getting on.  If BF3 is decent I might consider trying to play some again, but likely I will never be as active as I once was.  For this reason I'm really considering my ideas and options carefully before weighing in and voting.
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2011, 01:08:04 am »
Great discussion so far. One small thing though, is can we not call it BC Preferred? It might be a small thing and silly, but it sounds snobby to me. I don't want to prefer someone over anyone else. Lol. Just call 'em mods and admins like most other forums.

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2011, 03:47:07 pm »
sounds like harry potter's prefects

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2011, 06:35:37 pm »
I'm going to wait until the last day to vote, and add my recommendations then.  I see a lot of good ideas popping up. So everyone weigh in if you have any thoughts on the subject.

Agreed.

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2011, 10:53:41 pm »
I'm going to wait until the last day to vote, and add my recommendations then.  I see a lot of good ideas popping up. So everyone weigh in if you have any thoughts on the subject.

Agreed.
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2011, 11:01:22 pm »
Alright well i'm seeing some good criticism and i personally think the terms put forth should be changed.

What does everyone think about stripping out the "rules regarding operations" and anything to do with who has sa?

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2011, 02:42:43 pm »
Alright, I've been doing some thinking about this... I think we could swap out the entire bylaws with the following, and could be a clan/community or whatever we want to call ourselves.  I know that a couple of my suggestions below will piss some people off, and others will whine it is unfair, but I promise I thought these out very carefully and decided on each and every point for very particular reasons.



The following are the clan/community directives:

Prime Directive:
The primary directive of the ဠClan and all of its members is to have fun playing games.
Secondary Directive:
The secondary directive of the ဠClan and all of its members is to NEVER allow intra-clan politics or bureaucracies affect the Primary Directive.
Tertiary Directive:
The tertiary directive of the ဠClan and all of its members is to maintain the integrity of the clan and never allow it to fall due to acts of poor judgment by the Leaders, Admin's or ANY member for ANY reason.

BC Members:
BC clan members including retired will become BC members automatically.
BC members will have their own private forum.
BC Members will get BC Email accounts and all perks that were afforded to them from the clan previously.
Anyone can join BC, it takes a member to post a poll to all members.  The poll must pass with a greater than 25% yes vote over 7 days.
BC members is essentially a clan run by popular vote, almost every vote will be to all members. Members can wear tags if they wish.
Rules regarding operations:
Everything will be decided via popular vote by the whole of the site.
There will be a strict 7 day poll that goes up for every topic. These topics are in regards to membership, perma bans of site members.
A poll topic must be endorsed by a BC member and posted by said member. That does not mean it must originate from said member.
BC Leaders are given the ability to override any poll via a internal vote from them. Their objective in this regard is to stop the insanity.
Bans do not have to be discussed but can be vetoed if requested by majority vote from BC members.
Transparency in this will be key, so will be tolerance and a refusal to over regulate things.


BC Admin's:
A BC Admin must be a member of the clan.
Anyone can be an admin, another admin must post a poll to all admins. The poll must pass with a greater than 25% yes vote over 7 days.
ALL BC Admin's must make regular donations the clan (scheduled paypal monthly of at least $1).  All admin's are expected to have a stake in the running of the servers, and this forces the issue. Delayed payment means loss of admin until contributions resume.
ALL BC Admin's will have admin on all clan assets.
ALL bans must be logged on the forums including why.


BC Leaders:
A small group of admins given the ability to override any poll via a internal vote from them. Their objective in this regard is to stop the insanity. 
ALL leaders must trade all personal information with each other.
Anyone can be a Leader, another Leader must post a poll to all Leaders. The poll must pass with a unanimous yes vote over 7 days.



Rules for all clan assets:
1. Do not be obnoxious and or cause problems.  If you do this an admin may ban you.
2. We have no particular rules regarding cheating, porn, spamming, being rude, swearing, racism or anything else, but if an admin thinks you've taken things too far, you will be banned.  Some admin's are more lenient than others, if you get banned for something you did before, because one admin was more lenient than another, don't come crying to us, it's your own fault.
3. You may be kicked/banned under alias, you may never see the person than kicked/banned you and you may be kicked/banned without warning.  If this doesn't appeal to you, then don't be an asshole/cheater.


Rules for admin's
1. Kicks should only be used after warning someone, but this is not required.
1. Bans should only be used after attempting to kick someone out of a game/forum/server, but this is not required.
2. Bans are 1 minute to 30 days; Bans are never permanent unless decided by a vote of all admin's.
3. If an admin is found to be abusing their admin, the BC Leaders OR BC Admins may ban said admin and strip their admin priveleges for up to 30 days.

« Last Edit: October 23, 2011, 02:47:36 pm by Abzstrak »
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2011, 02:53:33 pm »
I agree with a lot of it but I still say we shouldn't operate as a clan anymore. I think with a few tweaks this can be achieved and will give us a greater chance to gain more members.

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2011, 03:01:16 pm »
I like everything except the kicking under alias part, I understand what you're trying to do but as it stands anyone can buy admin for a buck and fulfill their grudge against somebody by kick/banning them under alias. If you're going to give admin, accountability should exist IMO. For now this is only a concern on teamspeak since we don't have game servers.
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2011, 03:52:34 pm »
Down with Flash. Off with his head, I say!
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2011, 04:45:21 pm »
I like everything except the kicking under alias part, I understand what you're trying to do but as it stands anyone can buy admin for a buck and fulfill their grudge against somebody by kick/banning them under alias. If you're going to give admin, accountability should exist IMO. For now this is only a concern on teamspeak since we don't have game servers.


no a poll must go up and other admin's must approve you being an admin.  You aren't going to just donate a buck and go to town, it will take at least a week and admin's or leaders have the ability to ban you.  Also, I put in there that all bans must still be recorded on the forums.


If someone were to do this, any normal member could simply post a poll to kick that person out due to what they did, and everyone votes. 
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2011, 04:48:01 pm »
Ok I actually missed that part about recording the ban, my bad. I think it looks good overall.
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2011, 12:40:08 am »
1. Do not be obnoxious and or cause problems.  If you do this an admin may ban you.
2. We have no particular rules regarding cheating, porn, spamming, being rude, swearing, racism or anything else, but if an admin thinks you've taken things too far, you will be banned.  Some admin's are more lenient than others, if you get banned for something you did before, because one admin was more lenient than another, don't come crying to us, it's your own fault.

Cheating and racism are the only two things I think we SHOULD have a firm rule about, regardless of whether or not it is being obnoxious, it nearly ALWAYS causes problems. I realize it would be up to the admin, but I'm pretty sure that any of us would consider nearly all acts of racism to mean insta-ban.

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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2011, 02:11:25 am »
Can I be promoted just before the clan dissolves? I never made it past private in three years in th army. I just want one screen shot. Major would be good enough. You don't even need to spell it right.
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Re: Dissolve the clan, help us come up with the new clan!
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2011, 02:17:20 am »
lol Majar
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